Marduk
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Post by Marduk on Sept 11, 2004 22:37:43 GMT 10
oh meh, everywhere I go, people talk of mp3s and what not and bi0tch about how much they miss napster.
A lot of people owns tons of mp3s but never gets the album. One reason that my other friend, who has about 10gig worth of mp3s, said is that recording companies ripping people off - since it does not cost too much to produce the blank cd itself- and thus, he only gets mp3s (which is a pure BS, if you ask me).
I often get mp3s from my friend's band because he often asks my opinions and such - I think this can be one of the ways how a song can get leaked from the first place.
I do download mp3s for evaluation purposes most of the time. If I do not like it, I just delete it; if I like it, I do more research on the album and buy it (like how much I will like the rest of album tracks). The reason why I do the research is that sometimes, a lot of songs on the same album can be nothing more of a cacophony to your ears.
Mp3s are somewhat in the grey area - it can make artists to go completely broke, or it can bring them new fans. If it had not been the Hallway mp3 that my sweetie gave me, I never ended up becoming a Something for Kate's fan.
And yes, I do own Something for Kate's cds - they really worth it.
I say it is not just mp3s that people will exploit and take advantage of - it is same with video game ROMs as well.
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Post by Tiberius on Sept 11, 2004 22:55:16 GMT 10
I say it is not just mp3s that people will exploit and take advantage of - it is same with video game ROMs as well. That's true, and yet while being more of a specialised market, the video game industry manages to make a higher profit than the music industry or film industry. |
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Post by sezyjane on Sept 11, 2004 23:08:47 GMT 10
I agree with the concept of using mp3s for evaluation purposes. When it comes to the majority of my friends, someone will download an mp3 (or a few) to see what the band sounds like. If they like the sound, they'll go out and buy the CD.
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Post by amelia on Sept 11, 2004 23:15:28 GMT 10
people like to justify the things that are convenient for them. weather they really believe it's right or wrong doesn't really matter. they must know somewhere in their heads that that reasoning is very flawed?
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Marduk
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Post by Marduk on Sept 11, 2004 23:30:06 GMT 10
That's true, and yet while being more of a specialised market, the video game industry manages to make a higher profit than the music industry or film industry. I think video games have more appeals to people than music or films, though. You get to control things in the video games - like which armor your character will equip, or which spell will you use to blast away enemies. It's like watching some kind of drama, minus stupid commercials, with happy endings. But have you checked video game industry lately? I think the reason why video game industry seem to do so well is because they rip off from each other a lot (not so obviously but they do). See how Square Enix has set the standard of how modern RPGS (or should I call it interactive movies), and other video games follow the suite and put tons of eye candies in them as well. Music industry, however, you have to be unique and different from other artists or you'd end up getting flamed by fans, I think. |
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Post by Tiberius on Sept 12, 2004 0:02:51 GMT 10
I think video games have more appeals to people than music or films, though. You get to control things in the video games - like which armor your character will equip, or which spell will you use to blast away enemies. It's like watching some kind of drama, minus stupid commercials, with happy endings. Yeah, but wouldn't music and films have more of a mainstream appeal? It's only in recent times that computer games have been accepted as part of mainstream popular culture instead of being exclusively on the fringe or solely in the domain of 14 year old boys. Whereas music and films have had a broad appeal for decades. |
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Marduk
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Post by Marduk on Sept 12, 2004 0:43:43 GMT 10
I grew up playing Famicom and Super Famicom myself X__X: and where I spent my first 12 years of life, it was not just a boy's thing to play games either.
I have met many people (both me and women) from the State who were in their late 30s and love to play video game to death. Therefore, I think it all depends more on your upbringing or personal experience.
Besides, if you play a video game right in front of your child since he/she is wee lil, will not they be attracted to video games as well?
I think younger generation are more in tune with internet and such, hence the video game will be more appealing to them.
Heck, even video game developers purposely feature teens as the main characters - because kids can relate themselves to it. I know I did when I happened to be a dumb, hormone ridden teenager. >_> Used to associate myself with Marle and Selfie. No I do not do that anymore, but I know tons of kids from my neighborhood who has this weird thing going on with the video game characters.
Another reason that video gaming industry making more money than music/film company will be the gaining popularity on Japanese animation and comic books. A lot of games have those animeish feel in it, and there are tons of games based on anime or manga or vice versa.
This might also explain the increase in sales of Japanese music cds in the Stateside as well. Since anime/manga is becoming very main stream over here.
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Post by RNC on Sept 12, 2004 21:08:10 GMT 10
Music has never had any quantifiable worth to our society, certainly good music does have a positive effect on us as a whole, but how does one tell good music from style over substance bullsh1t? Well now thats easy, if you like them enough to buy their stuff as opposed to illegaly obtaining it they are good, but wait a minute... that means musicians will have to be talented, oh dear god no  To make big money in most niches of life you have to be among the very best at what you do, why should music be any different? and why should it be about money in the first place, some of the greatest musicians lived and died poor, maybe its time we started focussing on the actual music again. |
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Post by Seasick on Sept 14, 2004 12:26:25 GMT 10
Just to add my view of the topic, and I'll add it by example:
I download music because I do not have the money to buy all the CDs I want. I'm a jobless 17 year old, how the hell am I supposed to afford CDs at $30 a pop?
But before you start judging me as a music-stealing artist-hating prick, I do buy CDs where I can. I recently bought The Street's new album, because I had a sudden influx of funds. I have all of SFKs albums.
It's just that the amount of music I want far, far outweighs the amount of money I have. If CDs were $10 a pop I would probably not download music (other than for specific tracks), especially since I find CDs much easier to manage.
On the topic of downloading music hurting/not hurting the artists, I'm on the affirmitive.
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Post by sarahj on Sept 14, 2004 18:16:30 GMT 10
I download music because I do not have the money to buy all the CDs I want. I'm a jobless 17 year old, how the hell am I supposed to afford CDs at $30 a pop? Burning a CD isn't like stealing a loaf of bread to feed your family. They are not a necessity, if you can't afford to buy it then you miss out, just like with any other purchase. The amount of clothes I would like far outweighs the amount of money I have, but that's not a reason to go out and steal from shops, and just buy things whenever I happen to have the cash. It's no more of an excuse than if someone can afford one but burned it anyway. I'm not accusing you of being a terrible music stealing sponge, because I burn CDs too. I just don't think it can be rationlised...you're getting something for nothing. The only question seems to be how guilty you feel about that. |
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Post by Tiberius on Sept 14, 2004 20:07:06 GMT 10
However, wouldn't stealing a physical CD from a music shop be a closer equivalent to stealing a loaf of bread from a bread shop?
And is taping a song off the radio unethical?
Doesn't seem a black and white issue to me.
At any rate, we can argue about the morality of it until the cows come home from wherever they are currently are. The fact is, it's not going to stop, and as internet speeds get faster it's going to become even more widespread. So the question for the music industry isn't how they fight something that can't be fought, but rather how they adapt to this technology change and keep the industry alive in spite of it.
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Post by amelia on Sept 15, 2004 9:42:44 GMT 10
the sony bmg merger is kinda scary...
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Post by fathershark on Sept 15, 2004 15:41:02 GMT 10
My philosophy with everything obtainable by either hard work or theft, as Faith (Eliza Dushku) said in Season 3 of Buffy is:
Want
Take
Have
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Post by RNC on Sept 15, 2004 20:21:24 GMT 10
a mugger in the making
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Post by amelia on Sept 17, 2004 22:45:51 GMT 10
in the bubble.. i think it was last night.. they were talking about mp3s being the death of albums... apparently none of them in there listen to albums as albums anymore.. only magoo and they said that was 'cause he was old. i was very sad. i love albums.. albums work best as albums.. not seperate tracks.. am i alone in my preferance?
i would definately prefer to listen to an album of songs made within a time period and an artists state of mind than a mix of different individual tracks.
but now the trend seems to be going the other way...
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