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[WithoutWords]

i have a lot of respect for GOOD cover verison, sfk having some perfect examples

but

YOU DO NOT SCREW WITH NIRVANA

you just dont do it

ever

at all

she is conceited to think she could

and for that, i shall never forgive her

[Tiberius]

The said:

in the words of Tiberius, lucky u didnt say u hate tori amos at the soundczech forums!

Very true. It'd be like walking into a Muslim mosque and shouting out, "Allah blows!". Bring your bulletproof vest.


I'm not sure I follow your logic Without Words, so I have a few questions:

You don't like Tori Amos because she covered a Nirvana song? You subjectively didn't like her version so that somehow invalidates all her other music?

HER WHIMPY SOOKY PANTS WHINGIE VERSION OF THE GRUNGE ANTHEM SMELLS LIKE TEEN SPIRIT

So a cover of a song should always sound the same? Wouldn't that be a bit boring? A bit pointless?

And aren't people allowed to cover Nirvana's Smells Like Teen Spirit? Is this song somehow sacred? I'll grant you that this song was a turning point in terms of music leaving the 80s and entering the 90s, but even so, grunge died when Kurt Cobain blew his brains out. The teenagers realised that narcissistic self-pitying wasn't all it was cracked up to be.


But, hang on, weren't you something like 3 years old back then? *scratches head*

[WithoutWords]

ok, firstly, fuck you

secondly, grugne is not dead. yeah, it's been dilluted by ten years of pop, but even if newer grunge is a tad on the crap side, older grunge is still going strong

and, yes, smells like teen spirit is in many ways a sacred song, sure, i have ntohing wrong with cover versions, as i said, but i do have a problem with someone turning a song with great loud-soft dynamics, sreaming vocal etc etc into a barely whispering piano piece

it IS NOT all about self pity etc etc, have you listened to the lyrics? sure some of it is, i dont doubt that, but most genres of music have that somewhere.

i'll shutup now before i start receiving death threats, but even if you dont agree with my opinion, thankyou for your time

[TheAstronaut]

dont worry - i respect everyones opinion so im on ur side

[Tiberius]

without said:

ok, firstly, fuck you

That would be illegal little one. I suggest you take that proposition to Deane instead.

without said:

and, yes, smells like teen spirit is in many ways a sacred song, sure, i have ntohing wrong with cover versions, as i said, but i do have a problem with someone turning a song with great loud-soft dynamics, sreaming vocal etc etc into a barely whispering piano piece

You don't like piano music? To each their own, but I don't see why she can't change the song to her own interpretation. If she played the song exactly like Nirvana did then she'd be just repeating it. Boring.

without said:

it IS NOT all about self pity etc etc, have you listened to the lyrics? sure some of it is, i dont doubt that, but most genres of music have that somewhere.

Sure, even SFK has it, and that one of the things I like about SFK - their look at the world can be a little melancholy at times, but at the same time it can be hopeful. They force the listener to acknowledge a bad situation in life and then find a way out of it. Very positive stuff I think. Paul sums it up best in that article Ed recently quoted in SFK board.

“I think my songs are really positive,” he says. “I guess they’re talking from the bottom of the pit but they’re looking up to the light. My songs talk from the position of someone being down, but I do want them to be somewhat hopeful.”


Now maybe Nivana are the same, I don't know, but Kurt Cobain did kill himself. He wasn't too happy and hopeful eh?

I remember reading an online chat with SFK once, and Paul was asked if he thought that SFK were a revival for "grunge music". Paul said that he didn't think of his music in genre terms like that. He said he was just out to make good music and express himself through it. He felt that the term "grunge music" was too limiting. I agree.

without said:

i'll shutup now before i start receiving death threats

No. I really couldn't care. If there's anyone making death threats it'll probably be you to me because I don't bow down at the alter of Kurt? Heh.

btw, Smells Like Teen Spirit is a good song, but, that's all it is -> a song.

[WithoutWords]

my god you're infuriating

number one: dont call me little one

number two: i did not say i didn't like piano in songs, i do, dont twist my words silly man

number three: don't bring a common love into this, this is not about sfk, it is not about paul. yes, kurt cobain killed himself, i am not a conspiracy theorist who thinks it was courtney or dave or krist or even cali, but i think it was more than being unhappy, people dont kill themselves becaue theyre unhappy. he ahd other problems, i dont mean his drug use, that im guessing you are completly unaware of. and he was a happy guy alot of the time, just find a photo when he's with his daughter frances bean

number four: i don't want you to "bow down to the alter of kurt". i dont, so why should you? all i have in an immense apprieciation for him and the other members of nirvana

number five: i see my music is more than just songs, you might not, but i do, and although i actually dont think SLTS is the best nirvana song, i like it a whole lot, but it goes beyond being a song, in its own small way it was a music revelution

[Tiberius]

number six: you take me too serious little girl (but don't worry, you're not alone, it's a common theme it seems).

You also missed/ignored my point about SFK's music and then brought in a conspiracy theory regarding Kurt's death. Y'see, I like Nirvana's music but I just think that Kurt is made into some ridiculous sacrosanct quasi-religious martyr. The fact that you've reacted with such outrage to Tori daring to cover one of his songs, kinda gives some weight to my theory. 'Grunge' like 'Goth', 'Punk', and other such genres is a bit of a cliché that doesn't have as much meaning these days. That's my opinion. You're entitled to yours though.

[TheAstronaut]

geez cant we stop this please??

music is music! always has been, always will be!! its just a way ppl express themselves. i enjoy smells like teen spirit and am quite amazed at how it shaped into such an icon, and comparing it to the music of the eighties, it is quite impressive!!

but for tori's version, i dont have a say, for i havent heard it.....

i hope nobody yells at me

[Orange_Sherbert]

without said:

ok, i'll get alot of shit for this, but i have no respect for tori amos. she deserves to die.

I'm resisiting the urge to plunge headfirst into this argument as it will inevitably end in a series of personal attacks against me, but I am assuming by your rather blatant remarks that you don't know very much about Tori Amos. If you dom't like her music, than good on you-that's really got nothing to do with me or anyone else here-but I think she deserves nothing but the deepest resect.

[WithoutWords]

ok, well, i apoligise for offending anyone

the opinons i have about nirvana are very strong, ok, the genre thing, yeah a bit cliched, but it was the *seatle grunge movement*

anywho, i was wrong to make that judgment about tori amos, i once again apologise, but you dont ger between me and my nirvana


the end

[loux2]

i like tori's version of slts
and i like nirvanas version

i like it when cover songs are sung/played differently to the original..adds some spice
like jeb and sfk covering clint and harpoon
they're not the exact same song sung by different people, they've added their own style to it
it's good


oh and yay for opinions, they also add spice to your life ;D

[fathershark]

speaking of Tori Amos, has anyone heard her version of "Bonnie & Clyde 97" originally by that peroxided lord of fagg0try Eminem?

It is the eeriest thing I have every heard - it totally gives me the willies.

[Tiberius]

without said:

ok, well, i apoligise for offending anyone

the opinons i have about nirvana are very strong, ok, the genre thing, yeah a bit cliched, but it was the *seatle grunge movement*

No offence taken at all, and I do agree that Nirvana along with the other Seattle bands at the time like Pearl Jam were instrumental (instrumental, geddit? Bah ) in bringing in a new era of music.

FatherShark said:

speaking of Tori Amos, has anyone heard her version of "Bonnie & Clyde 97" originally by that peroxided lord of fagg0try Eminem?

It is the eeriest thing I have every heard - it totally gives me the willies.

Yeah, I heard it once a while ago. It is… interesting. I'm kinda curious to know what Eminem's original sounds like now. Probably contains a bunch of pompous extra lyrics about how he's going to bash Moby and do things to Christina Aguilera ,... or something.

[fathershark]

Actually, I would also like to bash Moby and do things to Christina Aguilera.

[dirtgirl]

I was there for grunge the first time around. Like I was for break dancing come to think of it!! At the end of the day grunge was and still is great music but no less so than any other form of punk hybrid (which is what grunge is BTW).

As for Tori she's great when she does her own stuff. The covers have been hit and miss though ( the 10CC one for instance was very dodgy...). Still I agree the point of covers is to breathe new life and have a different intepretation of the song.

Speaking of Tori: I wish to dedicate the song 'Leather' to Luceluna, a self described Tori lunatic dribbler!! I know how much you lovel that song, Dan... (lol; don't ya just love PMS ;D)

And no more underage sex please...