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Post by somethingforkaty on Jun 16, 2002 0:27:05 GMT 10
Anyone who is familiar with Pearl Jam would know that Eddie Vedder openly promotes the fact that he is a part of Pro-Choice [this is a group which fight for the right of women to have an abortion.]
I have personally always thought that it's a womans right to have an abortion. I once read an article Eddie wrote a long time ago and it was all about this issue. One of the points he raised, was he felt that if it were men that were the ones who fell pregnant, then there wouldn't even be a debate over whether or not abortion was allowed - it would simply be permissable.
Just wondering how you all [particularily some of the guys] feel about this statement?
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Post by singingcirclesaway on Jun 16, 2002 1:39:47 GMT 10
well, obviously i'm a chick, but i'm pro-choice too. that's not to say if i ever got pregnant that i would have an abortion, i just like to know the option is there if i want it. still a horrible thing to go through though, i'm sure.  |
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Post by fathershark on Jun 16, 2002 14:54:39 GMT 10
I've changed my ind about this over time, but the way I currently feel about Pro-Choice is that I have no right at all to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body.
That aside, I'd be very devestated if I was responsible for impregating a girl and seeing her go through with an abortion. I'd hate to see what could very well be my one shot at giving something to this planet wasted, and I would try and talk the girl out of it.
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Post by dirtgirl on Jun 16, 2002 15:32:13 GMT 10
What about the child's rights to existence? |
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Post by fathershark on Jun 16, 2002 19:11:42 GMT 10
This brings up the question of where does life begin exactly?..........
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Post by somethingforkaty on Jun 16, 2002 20:55:39 GMT 10
"What about the child's rights to existence?"
I think a better question would be is it right to bring a child into the world when it's not wanted, and you cannot provide the emotional and financial needs to support it?
What if you lived in England and you were raped? How would you feel when you were told you had no choice over what happens with your own body and you were forced to have this child - a constant reminder of what happened to you......
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Post by Glen on Jun 18, 2002 0:41:20 GMT 10
What about the child's rights to existence? This sounds brutally macarbe, but what about the parent's right to existence without the child? |
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Post by dirtgirl on Jun 18, 2002 23:24:03 GMT 10
I wasn't expressing an argument for or against as each case needs to be assessed on it's merits. Life is the most precious thing any of us will ever have, so to take it can only be a measure of absolute last resort, which unfortunately at times is the only way. To take somebodies else's life is an even more profound a choice. There is no right or wrong answer. It comes down to an individual's own morality code and ethics system. At the end of the day, you have to be able to lie straight in bed at night, right? And that is a decision that only you can make. All I can really personally conclude is viva la condom...  BTW...has anybody ever read anything by Peter Singer, a controversial philosopher (sp) who has written a lot about this and other issues about life such as euthansia? Food for thought. |
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Post by singingcirclesaway on Jun 19, 2002 2:11:58 GMT 10
but then you get into condoms breaking, and pills failing, and all sorts of disasters. then again, that comes with the territory, doesn't it? you should be old enough and ugly enough to know what you're getting yourself into in the first place. |
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Post by dirtgirl on Jun 19, 2002 14:54:42 GMT 10
People make mistakes and accidents happen all the time. Nevertheless, this doesn't mean that the best solution to a problem is aways going to be the obvious or easiest one. I mean that in an all emcompassing sense. Sometimes you need to think outside the box.  |
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Post by loux2 on Jun 19, 2002 15:32:29 GMT 10
i'm all for the choice
but i don't think you would be able to choose until you are in the situation and actually preggers
well i couldn't (and probably most couldn't) anyway
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Post by singingcirclesaway on Jun 20, 2002 2:17:46 GMT 10
well, i could never bring a kid into the world if i were to get pregnant now. not at all. it might sound selfish, but i have plans and a baby just would not fit in with them. i envy any young mother that successfully raises a child, but i couldn't ever do it myself. not this young.
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Post by Muzzy Pepped on Jun 20, 2002 15:24:43 GMT 10
"It comes down to an individual's own morality code and ethics system. At the end of the day, you have to be able to lie straight in bed at night, right? And that is a decision that only you can make. All I can really personally conclude is viva la condom... "
Yes that's right. But that's why it should be legal. It's not up to us men to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her own fucking body.
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Post by singingcirclesaway on Jun 21, 2002 2:37:33 GMT 10
amen to that.
sure, any smart-thinking woman would discuss it with the potential father first, but i think it should come down to what the woman wants in the end, because hell, she's the one that is carrying it.
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Post by loux2 on Jun 21, 2002 9:40:39 GMT 10
in a magazine i read recently it had a section on young mothers, like 15, 17, 19 yr olds who who babies.
one mother (i think 17 yr old??) said that she was having a casual relationship with a guy and neither of them even thought of contraception and didn't mention it and hence produced little bubba.
personally, i can't see how you don't even think of it. she didn't seem uneducated or anything, and obviously knew of contraception. hmm
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