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Post by inhiding on Jun 16, 2002 23:59:19 GMT 10
Another topic up for debate  How do we all feel about the Church not allowing gay people to have communion? |
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Post by somethingforkaty on Jun 17, 2002 17:55:04 GMT 10
Since I'm not catholic i should probably stay away from this topic as i might offend someone.
But i will say, in my view that it's pretty bloody hypocritical to exclude gays, as god is meant to love and accept everyone.
Especially when the church is more willing to protect priests who molest young children!
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Post by dirtgirl on Jun 17, 2002 22:23:56 GMT 10
It sucks! So much for the notion of tolerance...aren't we ALL supposed to be made in the image of god? Somehow things don't add up...  But that's just my two cents worth...for what that's worth. |
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Post by Catfish on Jun 22, 2002 20:56:42 GMT 10
A multitude of so-called Christian churches are part of the filthy things you know of (child molestation as example), however it should be noted that "by their fruits", or by what one(s) (which includes whole religious organizations) do(es) is how you can tell if they are a follower of Jesus, and in turn a follower of God.
No where in the Bible does it state that God accepts everyone. It is clearly shown that he accepts those that are willing to conform to his [righteous] standards. It should also be noted that this conforming is a voluntary action on the part of the individual and should not be forced onto them in any way or form. So if a Christian religion forces someone to be of their "faith", then they aren't following what the Bible says.
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Post by Muzzy Pepped on Jun 23, 2002 15:48:40 GMT 10
I think that if they didn't try and repress what is natural insticts/feelings/emotions of these men (the priests) this wouldn't even be an issue. Not to say at all that this is an excuse for what they have done, but more a solution for the future. Otherwise i don't think it will ever end.
A monk raped a girl on the campus and told her that he had waited 8 years for it and damned if anyone was going to stop him, and that if she tried to charge him the church would just pay her off with $10,000!
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Post by Glen on Jun 23, 2002 23:18:20 GMT 10
Part of me tends to think yeah, it's unfair, and they should be given communion.
But part of me also thinks, hey, this is a bunch of people who obviously don't wish to give you the time of day, let alone have you partake in any of their activities...so why on Earth do you bother?
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Post by fathershark on Jun 24, 2002 12:28:47 GMT 10
I've got a vague idea of what I want to say, but I'm too hungover to express it. Essentially it was in agreeance with what was said earlier.....
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Post by somethingforkaty on Jun 26, 2002 22:06:54 GMT 10
"so why on Earth do you bother?"
It's about the principle of it. They could go to a church anytime and have communium because the priest wouldn't know they were gay, but they wore the pink ribbons to confront the Church/priest with the issue.
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Post by fathershark on Jun 27, 2002 10:32:36 GMT 10
I wouldn't bother even confonting a priest if I was in those circumstances myself. There is no way that a movement in this way is going to change century old catholic dogma.
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Post by Muzzy Pepped on Jun 27, 2002 15:14:33 GMT 10
Well the Church has compromised on beliefs before so you can't blame them for trying i guess.
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Post by fathershark on Jun 27, 2002 18:03:01 GMT 10
Certainly, but I think that the changes have been largely self-serving.
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Post by Glen on Jun 27, 2002 22:30:40 GMT 10
It just seems like confrontation for the sake of confrontation to me.
I understand the principle, but smacking your head against the trunk won't topple the tree either.
Maybe it's not my place to call...seeing as I have not a religious bone in my body (Except for this whole 'rib' thing...ahem), and therefore do not totally understand the necessity of receiving Communion. I'm more inclined to think it's just not worth it. There are other ways to celebrate your spirituality...if the Church doesn't want you...find a nice park and practice your beliefs there.
I'm not trying to defend the Church - What they are doind...what they have done...is discriminatory, sometimes despicable, but I think the members of the homosexual community who keep going to Church to make their point, are wasting their time, that's all.
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Post by inhiding on Jun 27, 2002 23:00:59 GMT 10
What would have been (or not rather) accomplished if black people settled for giving up seats to white people on buses and the like eh?
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Post by Glen on Jun 27, 2002 23:45:26 GMT 10
That's a totally different arguement. You're talking of an entire government discriminating against a race of people, due to something they had no control over.
The Church is also discriminating against people who have no control over the way they are...but the key difference is that we *need* a government, so their policies MUST be fair and all-inclusive. We don't need a Church.
You can't escape aparthied...but you can simply not go to church.
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Post by dirtgirl on Jun 30, 2002 20:49:46 GMT 10
The point of these people opening protesting the way they are is to expose the shameless hypocrisy of the institution called "The Church", where most of the so called celibate priests are practising gays anyway! Never mind the fact that the bible talks about tolerance for all, treat others as you wish to be treated, love your neighbour...I wonder what Jesus would have to say about this? |
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