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Post by TheAstronaut on Dec 14, 2002 19:24:12 GMT 10
i see a familar link....
Catfish celebrating his birthday & the topics of killing....
He's going to go on a blood thirsty rampage!!!!!!!!
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Post by Sonic Death Monkey on Dec 14, 2002 20:52:24 GMT 10
People love to talk about how fanatical muslims are but what about the hard core christian fundamentalists, white supremacist groups and all those that kill in the name of an ideology. Whilst the regular Australian or American isn't into the who fundamentalist thing, we are happy to allow our governments to go in and send troops to kill inncoents for the purposes of attaining political and financial strategic positions. Don't forget that the CIA equipped and trained Bin Laden because it suited them at the time and they were hoping he would overthrow his government. Also the US supplies Israel with weapons in order to kill and suppress the palestinians. As for us we sat by and watched innocent East Timorese people get slaughtered for 20 years because we didn't want to upset Indonesia and risk losing the potential oil and gas opportunites. When we did go in we still made sure we got as much out of the Timorese and left them with a country in ruins and no economy. So is there really much of a difference between a member of Al Qaeda and a politician, its an extreme comparison but right now i really couldn't give a fuck. My point is that we live in a fucked up world and no side is neccessarily right or wrong, most of the violence that is happening in the world now is reactionary and isn't without a reason. And will probably never end. Don't think for a second that i want it to be this way, in fact it makes me sick. So thats all i have to say right now because i have an absolutely killer hangover.  |
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Post by TheAstronaut on Dec 14, 2002 20:57:35 GMT 10
is the hangover a result of terrorism?
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Post by Sonic Death Monkey on Dec 14, 2002 20:59:11 GMT 10
a slab of tooheys new styled terrorism
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Post by Tiberius on Dec 15, 2002 14:23:17 GMT 10
People love to talk about how fanatical muslims are but what about the hard core christian fundamentalists, white supremacist groups and all those that kill in the name of an ideology. I think it's because asides from a few crazy Catholic extremists in Northern Ireland, and some crazy KKK members (who aren't really Christians anyway) in the south of America, most of the religious zealots in the world seem to be Muslim. I'm sure there's many Muslims in the world who aren't fanatical but the majority of religious extremists we hear about, seem to be from Muslims. Coincidence? George Bush may be a right wing nut, but would you rather live in the United States or the United Arab Emirates? |
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Post by Sonic Death Monkey on Dec 15, 2002 16:26:56 GMT 10
Well actually the UAE is a pretty rich nation.
Also is it any coincidence that most muslim extremists come from incredibly poor nations? I understand what your trying to say but its not muslims who are doing this. Its people who are using their religion as an excuse. I personally don't believe in any religion or god but i do understand that if you were going to be a suicide bomber you'd want to be thinking that there was a god that makes it acceptable and that there was an afterlife.
Regardless of whether any of you agree or disagree i just think to make such generalisations about Muslims is unfair and only helps to further divide them from us.
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Post by caelestis on Dec 15, 2002 17:58:25 GMT 10
crazy KKK members (who aren't really Christians anyway) but the crazy kkk members think they are, right? how is this different from the fanatical extremists that seem to have come to the fore of late? they think they are acting in the name of their religion, when the actual scriptures and what have you, don't support their actions. by no means do i condone any kind of killing or terrorism or whatever word you want to use, but i think it's very easy to separate ourselves as saying they're the crazy bastards, but we're pretty much all good. anyway. history lesson about the crusades, anyone?? |
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Post by Tiberius on Dec 15, 2002 19:01:45 GMT 10
Okay, you're right about the KKK. They're no different from the so-called Muslims that flew into the World Trade Center. What I'm saying though, is that comparatively, the majority of religious zealots around the world do seem to proclaim themselves to be of the Muslim faith. I'm not saying that all Muslims are like this. No doubt there are many Muslims who are horrified by what some people do in the name of their faith, but there's many who are not and it's that which worries me. I remember the day after the WTC got bombed they showed images from Israel where Palestinian Muslims were cheering that hundreds of people had been murdered in the states (including Muslims in the WTC even, not just Atheists and Christians). It just makes me wonder how many like-minded Muslims are living in Australia. Especially when I read Muslims in Australia saying that the extreme Sharia law would be good to have here. Argh. I think not. Well actually the UAE is a pretty rich nation. I'm sure it is. But it does annoy me when we hear people saying we should be tolerant to Muslim cultural practices here, yet if you're an Australian woman, try going to the UAE without a veil and unaccompained by a male and see how "tolerant" they are to you. I fear eventually that this same type of medievalness may come here.  |
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Post by Clizzasnake on Dec 15, 2002 21:08:59 GMT 10
They said on the radio if Australia doesn’t butt out of the terrorism thing...then they will destroy Australia, did anyone else hear that?
Frankly, I'm shitting myself.... but I try not to think about it a concentrate on other things
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Post by Sonic Death Monkey on Dec 15, 2002 22:41:31 GMT 10
meh whatever i'm sick of all this crap. One part of me wants to be a very compassionate human being and try and stop people from being killed and all that stuff. Buts its all just so overwhelming and when you think about it too much as i'm inclined to do, it can be very depressing. Its almost like the world is just kinda sitting around waiting for the death toll to rise, but hey the worlds over populated as it is. |
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Post by WithoutWords on Dec 15, 2002 23:10:08 GMT 10
women being opressed is never right. humans being opressed is never right.
sure, alot of religous zealots seem to be muslins, thats because we lap up waht the media spoon feeds us and we ask for more. do you realise that the extreme ways men treat women in Afgahnistan and other countries went on well before S11, also note that although some pf us may have been away, we weren't all kicking up a stink and watching docos on abc till post S11?
yes, s11 killed many many innocent people, and boy did we hear about. why did we hear so much? because it was america. why did we care? because it was america. we heard about it day in day out for months
but what about an earthquake in india kiling thousands? it gets its 25sec slot of the news the next day
im probably not being coherent here, and at this point i wish to aologise if i offend anyone
i think that america should've seen it coming, you fuck people over like that again and again, go figure people are going to hate you.
their are many christian extremists, but its a "mainstream" religon, so we dont give a shit as much
george pell saying that what clergymen did to YOUNG INNOCENT BOYS was no worse than a woman having an abortion
that sickens me just as much as any terrorist speech
some other fuckwit priest saying that the traditional muslim dress for women should be banned becasue it could be a security threat - what an arsehole
will i better wrap up as im getting too angry to make sense
george push is jsut as much an extremist, or a terrorist as the people you're talking about
no-one is right in these circumstances, australia included
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Post by Tiberius on Dec 15, 2002 23:52:17 GMT 10
i think that america should've seen it coming, you fuck people over like that again and again, go figure people are going to hate you. So the American's government's foreign policy decisions justify murder like we saw on September the 11th? their are many christian extremists, but its a "mainstream" religon, so we dont give a shit as much Islam is a "mainstream" religion too, and I think we do give a shit when people claiming to be Christians prove themselves to be hypocrites by blowing up abortion clinics. It's just as evil. some other fuckwit priest saying that the traditional muslim dress for women should be banned becasue it could be a security threat - what an arsehole Actually in Malaysia, a predominately Muslim country, the "traditional muslim dress" as you call it, is banned in public government offices because it is a security threat as it has been used to hide weapons. Do you support the "traditional muslim dress"? You say that: women being opressed is never right yet you support people being forced or coerced into wearing heavy (and inappropriate for the Australian weather in summer especially) clothes that make women hide their bodies as though it's something to be ashamed of? What's so wrong with a woman's hair I'd ask? "But it's their culture" is the likely response, and that may be so, but it's also oppressive and medieval. george push is jsut as much an extremist, or a terrorist as the people you're talking about I'm not George Bush's biggest fan but Afghanistan is in a better shape now than it was. When the Taliban were in power, women were not allowed to work, were forced to cover from head to toe and not leave the house without a man. Men were forced to have beards, and music was banned. I think America and Australia have every right to be concerned about religious extremists turning our countries into how Afghanistan was not too long ago. |
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Post by WithoutWords on Dec 16, 2002 2:26:02 GMT 10
hmm, i didnt say anything about i agree with the tradtional muslims dress, mu point was, the guys an arsewipe
im tired, so i'll make a more coherent post tomorrow
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Post by caelestis on Dec 16, 2002 18:46:33 GMT 10
nod. my sister was in egypt and had to cover up completely, and cover her head so she'd feel comfortable walking around.
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Post by larry emdur is my hero! on Dec 18, 2002 8:59:38 GMT 10
I remember the day after the WTC got bombed they showed images from Israel where Palestinian Muslims were cheering that hundreds of people had been murdered in the states (including Muslims in the WTC even, not just Atheists and Christians). It just makes me wonder how many like-minded Muslims are living in Australia. did you know there was a similar response in the streets of latin american countries? www.peacecouncil.net/708Morethanone9-11.htm"Thousands have died because of US terrorism. People in the US don't realize the damage done to other countries. We Latin Americans don't hate the US people. It's the US government we don't like. " |
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