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Post by TheAstronaut on Sept 3, 2002 16:56:55 GMT 10
ok i was reading an article on the weekend about these four guys who complained because of some courses at a QUT uni (dunno where) and they complained because out of the 12 courses, 9 were for females, 1 for indigieous (sp) people, 1 for special ed, and 1 for people with family probs (or something like that)
anyway the equality officer said "shut up boys, it isnt unfair alright - there are too many WASP's around (white anglo saxon protesetants) and when there are exactly an even amount of guys and girls in each profession then maybe you can complain"
i was [glow=red,2,300]outraged[/glow] when i saw this! if she had said that to me my face, i would have almost killed her, of all the nerve!
anyway, the whole thing came down to feminism, and after all my whinging just them, im curious on what everyones stance is on the subject? i thought i'd post it because theres a good majority of girls here and i might get some interesting opinions.
cheers...
deane...
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Post by Kristy on Sept 3, 2002 18:34:25 GMT 10
Is QUT Queensland uni of tech? If so they have a lot more than 12 courses don't they? if so then is there really a problem that they are dedicated to those groups? What types of courses are they? Are they just courses that are dominated by women? Wouldn't it be discrimination to exclude them from the female courses, for the fact they are male? The equality officer does seem to have been out of line.
I don't really know where exactly i stand on feminism... i'm not all for it but i do hold some feminist beliefs, as i'm sure most females would. I don't agree with the extremes like the Germaine Greer types, but the other side really annoys me the statements about women having bought on the whole having to chose family or career, and that if women had just stayed in the house then they would not have choice.
That's all i have to say right now.
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Post by Clizzasnake on Sept 3, 2002 19:23:43 GMT 10
hmmmm interesting....
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Post by TheAstronaut on Sept 3, 2002 19:25:06 GMT 10
hey well this is what was in the paper, i dunno jack shit about the uni
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Post by Sonic Death Monkey on Sept 3, 2002 21:58:15 GMT 10
Well i think most uni's do have allocated positions for women and indigenous people, QUT would have some because i think that there is still proabably a gender imbalance in some of the technical courses. However at my uni, there are far more women than men, in one of my classes there are 20 students of which only myself and another dude are male. It does also make sense that there are courses and positions for indigenous australians, as there is definetly a large dispersion in the quality of education and opportunities that they receive. And until things are more equal i think that this should continue. But it is a little disconcerting with the backlash against men and the reverse discrimination.
As for feminism i think it has pretty much succeeded in its aims, the only area that needs improvement is in Parliament.
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Post by WithoutWords on Sept 3, 2002 22:09:01 GMT 10
as a few people ahev already stated, i do believe in a whole heaps of feminine principal,s but like alot of things it has gone a bit far
like political correctness:
vertically challeged
same sex oriented
etc etc etc
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Post by TheAstronaut on Sept 4, 2002 13:47:50 GMT 10
when you said etc etc etc, are you refering to Collette? lol  |
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Post by left on Sept 4, 2002 16:28:16 GMT 10
Ha ha ha ;D
Thats what I was thinking Deane! Everytime I see someone write 'etc' I think they're talking to me!
And seeing 'etc etc etc'.... I was convinced I was being talked to! ;D
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Post by Tiberius on Sept 4, 2002 17:44:03 GMT 10
ok i was reading an article on the weekend about these four guys who complained because of some courses at a QUT uni (dunno where) and they complained because out of the 12 courses, 9 were for females, 1 for indigieous (sp) people, 1 for special ed, and 1 for people with family probs (or something like that) anyway the equality officer said "shut up boys, it isnt unfair alright - there are too many WASP's around (white anglo saxon protesetants) and when there are exactly an even amount of guys and girls in each profession then maybe you can complain" i was [glow=red,2,300]outraged[/glow] when i saw this! if she had said that to me my face, i would have almost killed her, of all the nerve! I agree, I don't like affirmative action. Reserving positions for women or ethnic minorities is just an artificial adjustment that doesn't solve the bigger problem. It's been said that a set amount of seats should be set aside for women in parliament, but I disagree. The better way to address the problem is look at why women are not involving themselves in politics and try and fix that. When I was at uni, I was often the only male (or one of two or three) in my French classes. I remember reading a pamphlet by the "wymyn's collective" saying how they were terribly oppressed despite the fact that 75% of the campus' students were FEMALE! "Don't you hate it when you're the only girl in your electrical engineering class" the pamphlet asked. Hello! I'm often the only male in my French class. Do you see me complaining? The "wymyn's collective" also lobbied for, and got a "wymyn's room" built in the university. Basically it was a room that anyone born with an evil penis could not enter. I wondered where the "men's room" was but hmmm, that would be sexist, no?  btw, Deane, it's lucky for you that you didn't start this topic on Soundczech or you'd be castrated by now |
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Post by Sonic Death Monkey on Sept 4, 2002 18:30:30 GMT 10
Its not that women aren't involving themselves in politics. The reason you might think that is because there aren't that many when it comes to election time. So the real battle for women is to break down the 'old boys clubs' in the political parties who only select very few women in their pre-selction committees. I have witnessed it myself, where a number of canditates have come in front of the party selction committee and the two best candidates were clearly women but the board (all men) chose the biggest creton of a male they could find.
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Post by loux2 on Sept 4, 2002 22:48:43 GMT 10
I'm doing comp sci and it has a majority of males last year i was the only girl in a class of 20 but i don't care they didn't discriminate me at all i found i worked well with the boys (prob better than i would have if i was in a group of chicks) made some good friends  and in courses/subjects i don't think it's anyones fault or anyone should be handing out the blame. it's just who chooses these subjects. it's not like they're saying, no girls here, only boys and vice versa. and even if the course has more of one sex i don't think the other sex should be getting advantages...they should all do the same work and have the same oppurtunities as the person standing next to them.. an anyway girls are more likely to take french (for example) than are to take engineering or programming or whatever and aren't boys supposed to be more mathmatical/spatial(to think of a better word) or somethign anyhow? or by saying that am i being sexist towards my own sex? hmmmm |
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Post by Kristy on Sept 4, 2002 23:02:32 GMT 10
I wondered where the "men's room" was but hmmm, that would be sexist, no? I wouldn't find that sexist at all and i dont see a problem with it, and i don't see a problem with it as i personally wouldn't want to enter it if it exsisted, there are plenty of other places at uni for all genders to meet. But why complain that it doesn't exist, why not do something about the fact that it doesn't exist, like women have been for how long? Or is it just that you don't like the idea of a womens room, not that you actually want one for yourself as well? |
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Post by singingcirclesaway on Sept 4, 2002 23:34:49 GMT 10
i think it's all pretty ridiculous. i believe in women's rights, definately, but this "womyn" bullshit is pointless. they're just singling themselves out, and treating all things with penises like the devil. who cares if you're the only girl in a class full of males? i worked for two years as the only girl in a kitchen full of guys, and i had a blast. girls can be bitchy and petty at the best of times, and i love that guys can so often just be laid back and not care. give me a class full of guys over girls anyday. |
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Post by Tiberius on Sept 4, 2002 23:46:17 GMT 10
But why complain that it doesn't exist, why not do something about the fact that it doesn't exist, like women have been for how long? Or is it just that you don't like the idea of a womens room, not that you actually want one for yourself as well? I was being sarcastic. I don't think there should be a "men's room" just I don't think there should be a "wymyn's room". What I'm saying is, why does it (the wymyn's room) exist? What's the point? To my understanding feminism was about equality, so why segregate yourself futher? That's how it's supposed to be yeah. Statistically there might be some truth to it. In my language classes there were always more females, and now that I'm studying computers there's more males. Having said that though, I'm hopeless at maths. Oh no, how can I call myself a man if I can't do quadratic equations!? The shame!! |
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Post by Kristy on Sept 5, 2002 0:06:39 GMT 10
how does this room being in existence affect you? im not for or against such rooms, there is one at my uni and i have never felt the need to go there, but i guess these rooms were/are set up for people experiencing harrassment, i dont know though cuz ive never been to one. i really dont see it as segregating as such. i really dont see the problem with it, im female, ive never been to one, i dont intend to ever go to one but it really dont care wether it exists or not.
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