2004 Hottest 100 results are in

[caelestis]

sarahj said:

What annoys me to find that she doesn't speak like that, it's like she just puts on a singing accent.

a lot of people do that.
i can think of tori amos. even our paul does it to a certain extent - singing with an american-type accent.

[Troy Dann]

almost all british singers lose their accents as well.

[sarahj]

caelestis said:

a lot of people do that.
i can think of tori amos. even our paul does it to a certain extent - singing with an american-type accent.

Yes, but isn't it customary to alter your voice in a positive way? Or at least in a way that will lead to feelings of ambivalance at worst?

[tilted]

Catfish said:

I also wondered if JJJ hottest 100 is just becoming more commercialized or if commercial radio is starting to play better music? I saw the start of this back when Alex Lloyd got #1 for Amazing. God damn that Alex Lloyd. He stole #1 from SFK that year. damn it, I spit on him and his Amazing song!

it's pretty simple... kingsmill is music director, yeh? as a music director he will offend people no matter what he does (you cant please everybody rockwell). the two main options he can take are:

1) have your station anchored by genre specific shows, DJd by people who are at the forefront of these scenes and have a passion for it and hope that your listeners appreciate it and will tune in for an eclectic mix of music. This is what JJJ was like in its beginnings.

2) Decide that you should get the station on its feet first, make some money and develop listener loyalty before bombarding them with music they might not feel at home with instantly (basically delaying your cutting edgeness).

This approach means using a high rotation system whereby you take press releases, read them without a whiff of cynicism and jump on the hype bandwagon. Play certain hyped tracks on every show. These shows are mainly not genre specific and their DJs are not specialists, rather the radio station begins to churn out a generic mix of music people are familiar with. triple j is currently like this.

and you know, obviously it's more viable to take the second option and develop listener loyalty, but i dont know if its the best approach if you're the only independent radio station out there with a decent audience.

but yeh in relation to the hottest 100 and the idea that 'JJJ type music is moving towards popular music', i think that's basically due to the hip hop overdose which polarises people and the music scene. if the majority of what you're hearing on commercial radio is hip hop, you're likely to swing to the polar opposite if you're not liking the hip hop thing. also the fact that JJJ are playing more accessible music and playing it until its battered and bruised kind of helps mass appeal.

woah ok that was a bigger post than expected. excuse my verbal diaorhhea.... im just passionate about this and think jjj has so much untapped potential.

[kim-b]

The top 10 of the 100 were all played on commercial radio yeah. But what i've seen happen lately, is that JJJ find them first, play it. Commercial radio *discovers* it one month later, after it's become sucessful on JJJ. JJJ immediately stop playing it once it hits commercial radio. I remember hearing so many songs on triple j before it hits the big commercial stations.

I don't totally agree with what Soph says about the general hyped up songs playing on all the shows. It may happen during Breakfast (fricking frenzal), Today Today (drivetime) and Super-request (evening) but the rest of the day is programmed well. I LOVE the speciality shows on weeknights to death. Home and Hosed (exclusive, oz music show) is one of the best shows JJJ has ever had - I wish they still had the talkback with Steve Cananne on mornings though.

So, they do play the more popular stuff, but they still cater for the other stuff very sucessfully. Just listen when you want to, I personally, never listen to breakfast or super-request.

[tilted]

that's true, home and hosed and 2005 are the two specialty shows i reckon they've got down nicely. i guess it's the prime time shows that shit me (ie. breakfast, mel bampton, today today and super request)... which is practically the whole day's programme.

does the groove train still exist?

i dunno, just as an example, on FBI they have "Sunday night at the movies" which is basically a long soundscape depicting an event. stuff like that is outside the box, it's an interesting alternative.

[loux2]

I reckon that more people from other radio stations are voting in the hottest 100 and therefore songs that have been played on their stations are veing voted for...or something

[Catfish]

I take it by hip-hop you mean "nigga music" like... all the shit that we saw on rage about 1 year or 2 ago. Because I quite like music that is called hip-hop, like Butterfingers and Muph + Plutonic. And none of that is found on commercial radio (yet).

I think the Hottest100 itself is going mainstream mainly, and I blame it on the Internet. People just get on whatever forum they use, or on MSN or ICQ or something and someone posts "hey vote in the hottest 100 online!" so they just do a few clicks and vote for whatever songs they have heard of. So this is why I found that the top 10 (I know absolutely the top 5) were all played on commercial radio, if not thrashed.

Anyhow, I don't really care much for any sort of award or raking or winner system in music. Like the ARIAs or any sort of competition cos that's bullcrap. Music isn't meant to win awards, it's just meant to win an audience. ANd the audience it wins is the one that likes it.

[Troy Dann]

Though really, it's the audience that you've won who votes for the hottest one hundred... no? Just pondering that thought, I am...

[Tiberius]

Catfish said:

I take it by hip-hop you mean "nigga music" like... all the shit that we saw on rage about 1 year or 2 ago. Because I quite like music that is called hip-hop, like Butterfingers and Muph + Plutonic. And none of that is found on commercial radio (yet).

I don't mind Butterfingers, but Muph + Plutonic causes pain to my brain.

I have noticed Triple J playing a lot more hip-hop over the last 2 years, and unfortunately it's a lot more of the annoying variety.


Next month on Triple J: Chingy! ARRGHHH!

[Catfish]

Troy said:

Though really, it's the audience that you've won who votes for the hottest one hundred... no? Just pondering that thought, I am...

Yeah, but its like "Battle of the Audiences" then. And they don't call pop music pop for no reason. So obviously the music with the most pop will win.

Did songs from THe Official Fiction come anything in their Hottest 100? In my opinion, Echolalia was closer to pop, so this is why SFK did better in that year's Hottest 100.

[Troy Dann]

Deja Vu and Song for a Sleepwalker got on, Deja vu somewhere like number 13, SfaS like 65? maybe not too sure. They both definitely got on

[reykjavik]

Monsters was a really catchy tune, but I didn't think of it as poppy. Deja Vu (and the official fiction for that matter) were very radio friendly and seemed a whole lot poppier to me...

[jcook26]

Catfish said:

I also wondered if JJJ hottest 100 is just becoming more commercialized or if commercial radio is starting to play better music? I saw the start of this back when Alex Lloyd got #1 for Amazing. God damn that Alex Lloyd. He stole #1 from SFK that year. damn it, I spit on him and his Amazing song!

I remember that. Adam and Wil asked Paul if he was going to punch Alex in the face. He said no. Oh well.

I think what is happening with the hottest 100 is that people who don't listen to the J's go and vote anyway. Then again, it's an open poll so that shouldn't matter.

I don't listen to JJJ anymore these days (mainly due to the fact that I am a student and don't own a radio, but I also don't like the current mix of songs on high rotation) and I haven't voted since Monsters came in at #2. Damn Alex.

I'm sure I had a point of some significance when I started typing, but I've since forgotten what i was... I'll stop now.

[Catfish]

jcook26 said:

I think what is happening with the hottest 100 is that people who don't listen to the J's go and vote anyway. Then again, it's an open poll so that shouldn't matter.

This is what I was saying, only far more concise.

And, I think that commercial radio stations are grabbing new music more quickly these days. Like, band Little Birdy. I only just heard them mid-late last year on JJJ and yesterday I heard SeaFM playing them at work. So I think it's cos the commercial radio stations get the songs a lot quicker and now a more mainstream audience are voting in the Hot100.