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Post by left on Jul 12, 2002 2:30:24 GMT 10
I have to say, that would be easier to explain with diagrams.
I have made so many in efforts to understand it better.
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Post by TheAstronaut on Jul 12, 2002 13:04:41 GMT 10
Hey everyone im posting just briefly, considering this was a post i couldnt pass by.
I'm not a very smart person but im not dumb - if i make an attempt i can achieve grreatly. by this i mean im no genius or read very frequently high volume books like paul dempsey may.
i hate maths yet everything i act along to seems to be numerical. i draw cubes and prisms and third dimensional objects till my hearts content yet when it comes to HAVING to relate to maths my mind will not co-operate. i seem to also word things obscurely now, using more fluxual words rather than the common everyday term. i use one word to describe something different.
maybe it would explain my more creative side, considering if i start talking i may start speaking in terms i barely even know.
but thats just me.
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Post by erishkegal on Jul 12, 2002 13:45:27 GMT 10
Wow. That made perfect sense to me  . I've always thought far too much for my own good as well, or at least that's what other people seem to think. The only way is to spin anti clockwise in a circle. That way you are constently moving at your left hand side. Neah, I don't think it coud work like that; you can't get an angular direction mixed up with a relative direction......that didn't make sense either did it  . I'm going to come back to this at lunch time.......in the meantime Collette, what are you planning to do aafter school? Maths, while it may be a bitch now, can really answer some of this stuff, expecially linear algebra and that sort of thing which deals in multi dimensional concepts etc. There are textbooks and courses and shit written about all this stuff, and I think once you find a course that clicks, maths could actually become your best friend |
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Post by left on Jul 12, 2002 13:54:40 GMT 10
I could also become a crazy bum.
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Post by erishkegal on Jul 12, 2002 14:10:46 GMT 10
I could also become a crazy bum. No reason why you can't do both  I reckon you'd like this place: www2b.abc.net.au/science/k2/stn/Any amount of analytical thinking is welcomes, and you get some pretty interesting viewpoints. Some of the regulars can be a bit caustic, but don't worry, I'll go in there and tell them all off for you if they're mean ;D |
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Post by left on Jul 12, 2002 14:18:25 GMT 10
Okay, thanks for that. Of course I will have to stay away from some of those topics eg-God doesn't exist-because I am a believing catholic and fear I will get a bit out of control.
I also have lots of thoughts on where to shove their 'genetic enginerring' that I'm sure they won't appreciate.....
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Post by erishkegal on Jul 12, 2002 14:33:16 GMT 10
For sure; stay away from the God thing until you have well and truly tested the water, they've done the creation vs evolution thing to death there. I get the impressiont hat this: www.mcsi.net/alahoy/univ4.htm is an online book which could be interesting. |
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Post by left on Jul 12, 2002 14:43:36 GMT 10
I just read chapter one. I was interested by the way they explained each dimension.
But that stuff about being re born into the fourth dimension? I don't think I completely agree. I'm sticking with dying and doing to heaven and spending an eternity in happiness and peace......
Oh well my 2 cents.
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Post by dirtgirl on Jul 12, 2002 15:06:41 GMT 10
Collette you should read up on the Chaos theory - a good laymans book to start with is by James Gleick called "Chaos". This will give you a bit of science to your metaphysical musings on dimensions! Also read stuff up on Einsteins theory of relativity...there is heaps of books around which explain the concepts but steer clear of the maths. "A Brief History of Time" by that wheelchair guy (his name escapes me for the moment!! ;D Stephen Hawkings?  ) is a good starting point as well. Hope that helps. As for Creationism: that is a complete and utter nonscience! (get the pun ) It makes my blood boil to hear people speak of it!!  It's worthy to discuss the concept of creationism in the context of philosophy and anthropology, but as hard and true science it is UTTER BULLSHIT!! If they try and teach this in your school as legitimate science during your science classes - WALKOUT!!! I can be so dogmatic about this because I work every day with rocks that are 3.5 billion years old, which comprehensively puts to bed the LIE that is creationism...(and i say that as somebody who was force-fed catholicism for many, many, many years). As for life happy ever after after you finally kick the bucket? When you're dead you are dead. But perhaps you retain a semblence of immortality when your atoms get recycled through the ongoing, evolutionary processes of geological and astrophysical rebirth! So I guess by this line of thought we are already as old as the universe since we are all made from star dust and plasma! And therefore by this process we are also destined to be infinite and everlasting! We are already the Alpha and Omega. Now isn't that a comforting thought. *starts breathing again* |
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Post by left on Jul 12, 2002 15:17:58 GMT 10
I'm sorry Di, I'm not sure I completly understand you. Are you talking about the big bang therey thing? And if you are, are you saying it's wrong or right? Please unpack a little.
:Is confused:
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Post by left on Jul 12, 2002 15:19:49 GMT 10
Oh and I will deffinately be reading that book on the chaos therey. I have been interested in this for quite sometime but never had any books recommended.
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Post by erishkegal on Jul 12, 2002 15:55:00 GMT 10
Before I start waffling, a question: Collette do you believe Creationaism? I know a lot of people who are active christians, but will still accept that evolution happened. What's your viewpoint? ....it is one of those things that links science with art and creative thinking. I think all the ‘important’ things in life can be connected; it doesn’t matter whether you’re talking chemistry, astrology, biology, music, colour or form. They all come down to the same sort of relationships, the same things that cannot be explained. I think there’s a pattern to anything in life, it just presents itself in all sorts of different forms. That doesn’t say half of the meaning I’m trying to get across, because I too am useless at putting concepts into words. but I have reached a point where I am starting to confuse myself.Good! If you ever get to the end of a train of thought and think you had all the answers, and that it is all perfectly clear and simple......you went wrong somewhere. What if you start at the point and go inwards. Even though there is said to be no space left, what if it could expand inwards on it self? What if it could go on forever. Find infinity inside itself? Go on forever in no space at all.I know I’ve certainly seen some threads which behave that way . Seriously though, I suppose it could; if you have a cube which is hollow, therefore has 2 dimensional faces. There is an infinite number of times you can decrease the size of that cube before you will reach the centre. Is this simply moving two dimensions into the third? Or is it a fourth dimension, which allows the space inside that cube to be infinite. Is that what you mean? Can anyone recommend any books for a person like me to read?If you want a great set of fiction books to read, check out anything by Traci Harding. There is “The Alchemtist’s Key”, and also a series of six books starting with “The Ancient Future”. The philosophy they develop of space and time is intriguing, with a great story to boot. However a lot of it is a spiritual path as well, which may not read so well to a believing christian (I’m an athiest myself), but give them a shot anyway . I was the same as you guys at school; I always loved science, but having to concentrate on what the cirriculum wanted me to learn bored me shitless. One redeeming feature was the chemistry teacher I had in a few different years; he too had an obvious passion for what he was teaching, and he would sit and talk with me and my friend for ages and we’d expostulate all sorts of scientific theories. If you ever get a teacher like that, count yourself lucky . How come I have so many more problems then it?"
Can someone answer that please?You don’t, but me saying that isn’t going to help you one little bit. Exactly like you just said, a lot of the problems we think we have are self imposed. If you ever do find a solution to your perceived problems, it won’t actually change anything around you; only the way you think. So don’t worry so much about not being able to understand things, because once you know all the answers, then what will you do? You’ll be bored out of your tree! Call life a journey of discovery and enjoy the ride . And keep talking about it; personally I find that bouncing ideas off people is a great way think things through. And another important thing; always read everything with a healthy dose of scepticism. If anything I just said sounds like bullshit, then don’t listen to me . "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science."- Albert Einstein |
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Post by dirtgirl on Jul 13, 2002 19:23:09 GMT 10
I'm sorry Di, I'm not sure I completly understand you. Are you talking about the big bang therey thing? And if you are, are you saying it's wrong or right? Please unpack a little. :Is confused: Yes i am eluding to the big bang but more broadly astrophysics and geology and their implications for religious belief. And this has everything to do with God and creation and fact versus theory or articles of faith. Who is right? As in is the big bang theory right or does the universe contract and expand periodically? If there was only the big bang, where did the material and energy to cause the big bang come from? Are their in fact more than one universe so that their may be multiverses instead?! These are profound musings which are currently the realm of physicists, philosophers and the religious - it's at the crux of that schism which exists between faith and fact!  And i agree with much of what you wrote fraenata - especially your point about constant inquiry! And that life is about the journey... |
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Post by erishkegal on Jul 25, 2002 10:16:56 GMT 10
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Post by dirtgirl on Jul 25, 2002 18:08:11 GMT 10
at the risk of exposing myself as a mere ignorant geologist, WTF does EH stand for? |
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. I've always thought far too much for my own good as well, or at least that's what other people seem to think.
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It's worthy to discuss the concept of creationism in the context of philosophy and anthropology, but as hard and true science it is UTTER BULLSHIT!! If they try and teach this in your school as legitimate science during your science classes - WALKOUT!!! 