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Post by TheAstronaut on Jan 31, 2002 17:45:34 GMT 10
are sfk striking against mp3s? it seems old pictures has been blocked on audiogalaxy, saying it is blocked because of copyrights!
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Post by Tool on Jan 31, 2002 22:33:08 GMT 10
No I think that their record company is.......
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Post by somethingforkaty on Jan 31, 2002 22:53:02 GMT 10
well so it should be! bootlegs, fair enough, but as for cd recordings people should have to pay money for them!
Heres what Steph had to say on the issue when Xavier Toby from Melbourne University Student Union Magazine “Farrago” spoke to her.
"XT: I heard you comment on Triple J that on your tour with Big Heavy Stuff, before Echolalia was released, there were people in the crowd singing along with new songs. What’s your attitude towards Napster and CD Pirating?
SA: I think it’s thievery. I think that again record companies get a big bashing from the public, people go ‘nasty nasty record companies taking all the money’. But in this country there’s not a lot of money in original music and if people continue to download albums before they’re even out, then those people don’t buy the album, which means the album doesn’t sell very well, which means the record companies will have to drop the band. That band won’t make music any more, because people need to buy records because who else is going to pay for the recording process? It’s way to expensive for the bands to afford. You’ve got to look at record companies as if they’re a sponsor and when people start taking it upon themselves that they’re going to download entire albums that haven’t been released yet, as opposed to buying it, they’re robbing the artist and the record company of all the money that’s been spent on making that record. Records cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and people just aren’t putting two and two together. The record companies aren’t necessarily the bad guys here. We do however get a lot of people from overseas who discover the band through MP3s and then they go and buy the record, and that’s fantastic, in that sense it’s great, but a lot of people just go ‘I’m not paying for a record, I’m going to get it for free’."
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Post by Catfish on Feb 1, 2002 1:34:35 GMT 10
MP3s, as far as I can see, are only helping the music industry. Unless there are solid facts and figures to prove that the introduction of cheap Internet and availabilty of MP3s has directly affected the number of record sales then there's no way I'll ever think any different. The only reason I've bought the CDs I have today is because people let me download mp3s of commercial CDs off them.
While I can see that, yes, if you download a whole album and never buy it you are in fact stealing the music. However, I've got about 250 albums in MP3 on CD - most of which I never have and never will listen to. Why do/did I download them? Because I got a computer with a net connection and nothing better to do.
Of course, I still say that if you get the MP3s and you really like the music you hear you should go buy the original CD and help all those involved to get the CD in the shops. I also don't agree with pirating, which I define as burning and then selling the burnt copy off at a lower price. There's no point debating MP3 ethics here but.
And as another note: Why does the interviewer assume that singing along with lyrics is directly related to downloading of songs in MP3? Paul played and sang the songs at gigs long before Echolalia ever came out. Perhaps the interviewer just wanted to stir some more MP3 controversy up? I also find it strange that the interviewer asked "What's your attitude towards Napster and CD pirating?" putting the two together.
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Post by Captain BJ on Feb 1, 2002 13:44:10 GMT 10
There has to be a happy medium somewhere. Maybe some sort of system where some (say, three) album tracks are available pre-release, plus the current single(s) as well as all the old B-sides. Make them available on the band's website. That would mean people woud be getting a preview of the album and they can also get a certain song while it's available. If they want the album, though, they can buy it.
Personally, if I want a CD, I will go to a couple of record stores and look for it, and then buy it. If I can't find the CD but my friend has it, he then burns it for me. Otherwise I just keep looking.
I don't get mp3s though. Just because I don't have the disk space.
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Post by spongeboy on Feb 1, 2002 14:28:37 GMT 10
i think s4k mp3s are strong because paul has said in previous interviews etc that he doesn't object to mp3s of any songs provided they have been release. Personally, i object to the posting of readily available songs.....though definition comes into debate (echolalia isn't available in america or armenia)
i think tim freedmans standpoint is interesting. he says (and his fans listen) that he doesn't want digital trading of bootlegs, only analog (ie cassette tapes). He feels this is effective in satisfying the fans yet respecting the ownership of the music.
Just some thoughts....
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Post by Catfish on Feb 1, 2002 16:34:46 GMT 10
Cap BJ - I think they actually don't put MP3s on their official site because Sony won't allow it. I think katy had an email from Carlene posted here a while back that said they can only have 'previews' of certain songs, and they must be streamed as well, not allowed to be downloaded. This is just SFK's case but, there may be other bands under Sony that have MP3s on their sites... I don't know.
And as a PS: What is the go with banning pictures? That's a bit extreme don't you think? It's not like anyone is making millions printing them out and selling them.
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Post by TheAstronaut on Feb 1, 2002 16:37:31 GMT 10
i emailed carlene and she said that they dont want mp3s on site, ( except for booties  ). katy mentioned to me the band was okay with the older stuff online ( eg. the demos and older b-sides ) |
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Post by singingcirclesaway on Feb 1, 2002 17:57:25 GMT 10
i only download the rare stuff i cant buy. but in doing so it has prompted me to want all their old singles and such. it helps them i think, but if i had to pay for it i wouldnt mind, because that is fair too.
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Post by dirtgirl on Feb 1, 2002 22:12:13 GMT 10
I agree with heartspark, if it is out of print then what else can you do? As for all the other stuff, well these guys have to make a living just like the rest of us... Their attitude to 'illegal' reproduction of their music and intellectual property is understandable.
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Post by singingcirclesaway on Feb 2, 2002 16:21:19 GMT 10
exactly. and i dont download the stuff i can buy in stores, because that is just pointless anyway. so there you go.
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Post by Matti on Feb 3, 2002 15:57:51 GMT 10
i only download the rare stuff i cant buy. but in doing so it has prompted me to want all their old singles and such. it helps them i think, but if i had to pay for it i wouldnt mind, because that is fair too. same... my thoughts exactly.. if i can't get it any other way then i'll download it. but should it suddenly come out on a CD then i'll definately go to the trouble of buying it if i can.. and besides.. how much better is it being able to have the REAL copy of the CD in your CD collection?? well, maybe i'm weird.  **looks over proudly at this SFK CD collection next to his PC** -Matti |
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Post by singingcirclesaway on Feb 4, 2002 10:10:12 GMT 10
for sure. id love to own all the something for kate cds, vinyls, everything, and if i could i would. unfortunately however, i cant. but i dont think that means i should miss out on all their stuff.
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). katy mentioned to me the band was okay with the older stuff online ( eg. the demos and older b-sides )
**looks over proudly at this SFK CD collection next to his PC**