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Post by somethingforkaty on Nov 21, 2002 20:28:04 GMT 10
I'm all for that, but when some people will dismiss you or give you a hard time purely based on looks, to the point where it shatters your self-confidence, then is it a crime to change something to feel better about yourself? And yes, it is incredibly superficial, but human beings are superficial, and as much as anyone would like to tell you otherwise, appearances do matter to a certain extent. What's the point of being beautiful on the inside if no-one ever sees past the outer layer? What about movies stars and the like altering their faces and bodies and pretending it's natural and setting ridiculous and unrealistic standards for young women. How does that help a young girls self confidence? How can she ever be satisfied if she is trying to attain an unnatural face and body? |
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Post by Jess on Nov 21, 2002 22:06:33 GMT 10
I think you kinda missed the point of my post.
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Post by Clizzasnake on Nov 24, 2002 14:47:52 GMT 10
The stars do it to hold on to something. People like us do it to boost our self-confidence.
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Post by somethingforkaty on Nov 24, 2002 21:55:14 GMT 10
If you are 'beautiful' on the inside, and have all these wonderful qualities why would you want to change the way you look for the people who won't accept you the way you are?
No one could ever be skinny, pretty, big titted enough. People think all their problems would go away if only my nose wasn't so big yadda yadda but like someone said before you will never be truly happy.
Why buy into the ideal 'oh the world is so superficial it will never change'? Why not keep your crooked teeth and prove you are still beautiful on the inside and out? Not to mention talented and many other qualities that looks have no bearing on.
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Post by Clizzasnake on Nov 25, 2002 16:07:44 GMT 10
yah, i think you just about summed it up katy! ;D
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Post by Tiberius on Nov 25, 2002 19:33:53 GMT 10
If you are 'beautiful' on the inside, and have all these wonderful qualities why would you want to change the way you look for the people who won't accept you the way you are? No one could ever be skinny, pretty, big titted enough. People think all their problems would go away if only my nose wasn't so big yadda yadda but like someone said before you will never be truly happy. Why buy into the ideal 'oh the world is so superficial it will never change'? Why not keep your crooked teeth and prove you are still beautiful on the inside and out? Not to mention talented and many other qualities that looks have no bearing on. I kind of agree with most of what you say, and I kind of don't agree with some of it. What you say, like the ending of Shallow Hal sounds nice, in theory, but I don't know if all of society is going to be as accepting as you. I mean, if I, (a) stay as I am, (b) go to the gym everyday, exercise heaps, and build up muscle (and I don't mean extreme proportions), (c) or eat lots of donuts and put on 300 pounds. Which one is going to make it easier for me to find a gf? I'd say 'maybe' with (a), 'more likely' with (b), and 'not a chance' with (c). It's not a cut and dry thing I know, but it just seems kinda simplistic to say "be happy with how you are and everything will be alright".  If you really are ugly, overweight, or unattractive, wouldn't trying to change these things make you happy? |
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Post by somethingforkaty on Nov 25, 2002 20:06:32 GMT 10
No it wouldn't. One of my friends mothers is probably at least 130kg but she is seeing 3 men at the moment and has plenty in line. Why? Because she has the coolest personality and is so much fun to be around. It's not fair to suggest fat people can't pick up cause they are fat. Nor, that fat people are fat cause they don't go to the gym and they eat like shit. Some people has disorders causing them to be obese.
Like i said before, maybe if someone WAS ugly and thought trasforming themselves into the queen of plastic was going to get them guys they will ultimately be unhappy. If you can only get guys because you bought yourself a nice pair of DD hooters than maybe you should rethink the sorts of guys you are meeting/trying to pick up. If they can't look past that into your personality why the hell would you want to be with them anyway? Looks are fleeting and will fade. Should an ugly person make themselves 'attractive' to get a guy to marry her, then count down the days until she becomes hagged and old and watches him leave her for a younger woman who still has her looks?
I haven't seen shallow hal but it looked like a ridiculous, cliched piece of crap, and an excuse to make a lot of fat jokes.
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Post by Tiberius on Nov 25, 2002 20:23:24 GMT 10
Yep, like I said, it's not a cut and dry thing. Nor, that fat people are fat cause they don't go to the gym and they eat like shit. Some people has disorders causing them to be obese. Sometimes, but I'm not just thinking of fat people, skinny people too have the same social stigma, especially if you're a male. Like i said before, maybe if someone WAS ugly and thought trasforming themselves into the queen of plastic was going to get them guys they will ultimately be unhappy. If you can only get guys because you bought yourself a nice pair of DD hooters than maybe you should rethink the sorts of guys you are meeting/trying to pick up. Definitely. In fact, grafting a pair of DD hooters onto your chest in my opinion, isn't attractive. I'm probably not the only male to think that. So if you're going to boost your breast size to pick up, it's a pointless effort. I haven't seen shallow hal but it looked like a ridiculous, cliched piece of crap, and an excuse to make a lot of fat jokes. The ending was this: Hal (Jack Black) marries Rosemary (Gweneth Paltrow in a 300 pound fatsuit). He realises that while she's quite grossly obese she's beautiful on the inside and that physical appearances don't matter at all. And they all lived happily ever after. |
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Post by WithoutWords on Nov 25, 2002 20:26:56 GMT 10
katy, your a lovely girl, and im so glad that you personally are so secure and comfortable with yourself
but some people arent
and you judging them and saying that they should be happy with themselves and not care what other people think does not help one little bit
just as people have disorders which make them overweight, people have complexes which make them slightly paranoid about what people think about them, obsessive even
so, basically, its each to there own, if you're happy hoe you are, that truly is great, but some other people arent and yeah, maybe a new set of DDs will make them feel better, or maybe its a new pari of shoes, whatever it as, aslong as they dont take it to far, does it actually matter?
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Post by somethingforkaty on Nov 25, 2002 20:59:07 GMT 10
I guess not and i can see where your coming from.
On an unrelated note it's scary when you see these young attractive girls wanting plastic surgery.
I was watching Dr. Phil one afternoon and this girl was 15 or 16 and was saying how her whole life revolved around saving all this money to have plastic surgery when she turned 18! She was actually really attractive and had a really good body - i am still trying to figure out what she wanted the surgery for. It was scary to see how obsessed she was with it.
"katy, your a lovely girl, and im so glad that you personally are so secure and comfortable with yourself
but some people arent"
Also, just cause i would never get surgery doesn't mean that I think I'm perfect or that i am perfect. I happen to think i have a big nose but it's not like I'd do anything about it. I'd be worried i wouldn't look like me anymore.
I guess I just don't understand how people can be so uncomfortable in their own skin.
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Post by somethingforkaty on Nov 25, 2002 21:04:05 GMT 10
and you judging them and saying that they should be happy with themselves and not care what other people think does not help one little bit I was judging anyone, quite the contrary actually. I think that's a positive not a negative [feeling comfortable with yourself.] I'm not saying someone shouldn't have surgery ... maybe your ear is as big as your head - i would have no idea what that would be like ... but young girls have enough pressure on them as it is without them wondering much 'better' they could be after surgery. |
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Post by loux2 on Nov 25, 2002 22:27:17 GMT 10
i hated that shallow hal movie. yeah, alright it turned out well in the end, but all the fat jokes kinda put a dampner on it. didn't like it, i cringed through a lot of it. that is all  |
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Post by singingcirclesaway on Nov 26, 2002 0:46:58 GMT 10
each to their own, eh? some people want to save their money for a car, others for a nose job. i don't see the harm - if you want it, it's your decision, so go for it. personally, i doubt i could do that. then again, i've never really thought about it, but if i had copious amounts of money it might change things. i'm not happy with who i am, i don't really know anyone who is. then again, you can do stuff about that, which i'm not really, so i only have myself to blame for that.
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Post by TheAstronaut on Nov 26, 2002 12:53:55 GMT 10
No it wouldn't. One of my friends mothers is probably at least 130kg but she is seeing 3 men at the moment and has plenty in line. Why? Because she has the coolest personality and is so much fun to be around. It's not fair to suggest fat people can't pick up cause they are fat. Nor, that fat people are fat cause they don't go to the gym and they eat like shit. Some people has disorders causing them to be obese. Like i said before, maybe if someone WAS ugly and thought trasforming themselves into the queen of plastic was going to get them guys they will ultimately be unhappy. If you can only get guys because you bought yourself a nice pair of DD hooters than maybe you should rethink the sorts of guys you are meeting/trying to pick up. If they can't look past that into your personality why the hell would you want to be with them anyway? Looks are fleeting and will fade. Should an ugly person make themselves 'attractive' to get a guy to marry her, then count down the days until she becomes hagged and old and watches him leave her for a younger woman who still has her looks? I haven't seen shallow hal but it looked like a ridiculous, cliched piece of crap, and an excuse to make a lot of fat jokes. Katy I agree with you completely. Our world is shallow anyway, and people seem to take attraction based on either looks or their bank account. Look at how many actors/actresses date fellow actor/actresses. Obviously normal people like us arent important. And then consider how many of them whom do get married, how long their marriages do last. |
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Post by singingcirclesaway on Nov 26, 2002 13:45:33 GMT 10
Look at how many actors/actresses date fellow actor/actresses. Obviously normal people like us arent important. And then consider how many of them whom do get married, how long their marriages do last. i think that's more than just dating actors because they're attractive, however (well, to some anyway, god some are ugly  ). most actors making millions work ridiculous hours, and are always travelling, so on, so forth, and anyone in a "normal" job, wouldn't probably understand that, and feel neglected. if 2 people are in the same situation, they know what they're getting themselves into, so it's probably easier to date other actors, since they wouldn't have high expectations time-wise. that and it wouldn't be easy to meet everyday people who were grounded, and could get past the fact these people were celebrities. |
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). most actors making millions work ridiculous hours, and are always travelling, so on, so forth, and anyone in a "normal" job, wouldn't probably understand that, and feel neglected. if 2 people are in the same situation, they know what they're getting themselves into, so it's probably easier to date other actors, since they wouldn't have high expectations time-wise. that and it wouldn't be easy to meet everyday people who were grounded, and could get past the fact these people were celebrities.