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Post by dirtgirl on Feb 22, 2002 15:24:48 GMT 10
Am i the only person here whose entire life force is being comprehensively sucked dry by mega-corporations and the whole corporatist state?  I wonder where i went wrong in my previous life to deserve this??... (boredom is such a painful existential state) |
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Post by TheAstronaut on Feb 22, 2002 15:40:48 GMT 10
are u referring to like mcdonalds & coke sorta thing? coz i hate them both. they want the world to eat & drink only their products
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Post by TheAstronaut on Feb 22, 2002 16:34:06 GMT 10
mclibel? sounds interesting. i hate maccas. filth food, filth company, just filth. ill have to get it out @ the library when ive finished reading my current book, the spear of destiny. ( its about how hitler became evil and obessed over the spear which began the third reich. its also saying how hitler was possessed by lucifer )
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Post by singingcirclesaway on Feb 22, 2002 16:37:00 GMT 10
hey, if anyone gets to hate mcdonalds i get first dibs - i had to work there for 2 years!  |
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Post by dirtgirl on Feb 22, 2002 22:38:54 GMT 10
you guys are only scratching the surface with maccas!! Work for one of the 'BIG' multinationals and really discover what a true mind-fuck 'solutions' really are!!!!!!! [glow=red,2,300]BOO HISS[/glow] to the corporatist systems which deny us ALL our basic human rights and dignities and have done nothing but strip me of my peace of mind just so that i might get dutifully pissed in the pocket and have my dreams shattered!!! Read: Mclibel, Naomi Klein, John Raulston Saul, Ralph Nader; watch Micheal Moore - just get educated and lets start the humanist revolution! Let's get our communities and lives back... Glad i got THAT off my chest, I'm feelin better already ;D |
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Post by somethingforkaty on Feb 22, 2002 22:51:27 GMT 10
how fucking cool is that Michael Moore show....
the first one i saw he was driving a taxi around and he would only pick up black people... if white people would try and get in he'd say sorry your white and drive off on them..... you just had to see it
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Post by dirtgirl on Feb 22, 2002 23:14:11 GMT 10
You're right that episode was hilarious!! ;D My personal favourite was the 'ficus' episode where all these senators were going to be re-elected without opposition. So our mate Mike puts all these ficus plants as their opposition! He went the full banana - campaign ads and all for the ficuses!! One ficus even won in one county (some dispute still over the first admendment for that one!). Histerical (sp) episode! ;D If only in this country we had a ficus to whom we could vote for...  Mike's got his own web site which is definately worth a visit (think it is michaelmoore.com or something like that!) |
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Post by singingcirclesaway on Feb 23, 2002 14:06:09 GMT 10
yeah, ive seen those two. ;D i LOVE that show. ;D
did you guys see the one where they got all the people who had to get voice-boxes after getting throat cancer and stuff from smoking in the 50s etc. when it was advertised as "safe"? they got them to go around to all the cigarette companies and stand out the front singing xmas carols!!! it was so damned hilarious. ;D
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Post by TheAstronaut on Feb 23, 2002 17:10:35 GMT 10
ive seen some anti maccas shirts
mcdisease
mcguttermouth
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Post by larry emdur is my hero! on Feb 23, 2002 17:31:52 GMT 10
one episode he stood out the front of IBM and challenged them to come down and format a floppy disc...
about mcdonalds, have you heard the rumor that the apple in the apple pies is really chunks of potatoe? Or that the reason they include the pickel in the burger is because otherwise the food would be classed as confectionary?
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Post by luceluna on Feb 23, 2002 17:40:11 GMT 10
okay, i've worked at KFC, the mother of all evil corporations. they SUCK. so bear that in mind when reading this post. 1) you do NOT have to eat McDonalds or drink Coke if you don't want to. in fact, it is perfectly possible to avoid eating and drinking ANYTHING made by multinationals. if you feel strongly about it, it's far from impossible to cut it out of your life. 2) people are NOT "forced" to work for multinationals. yes, multinationals treat workers like shit. yes, they pay ridiculously small amounts. but there are many other forms of unskilled labour with openings that are just as numerous as Maccas et al. it's just easier to get a job for a multinational because it is percieved as easier and it involves no initiative. if you don't want to work for one, DON'T. just hand your resume to your local grocer, deli, newsagent or library instead. 3) not all multinationals are "evil". i think it's ridiculous to say that once a company grows above a certain size it becomes inherently bad. take starbucks, for example. it is rigorously strict in its practices, both in terms of what it serves and how it treats its employees (i work there). it also works incredibly hard to conserve recources and not exploit any part of its operations. read One Cup at a Time by Howard Schulz as an antidote to No Logo. sure, both are biased in their own ways, but both have valid points on how to do things and how not to. sorry for the aggro nature of this post - i love you all really  |
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Post by TheAstronaut on Feb 23, 2002 18:37:06 GMT 10
i never said i ate or drank their products because i dont what i hate is their propaganda the most. 1. they say that kids will love their parents more if they buy them maccas. 2. eating maccas is 'cool' 3. animals enjoy coke & maccas, which is bullshit. the only good thing coke can be used for is cleaning old coins, which actually works. 4. utlising their products into aussie culture ( im refering to the aussie ad a few years back with the canefields burning in the outback and that song....umm 'out on the patio we sit, and the humidity we breath' - i know what its called, just forgot for now. the band is crackerjack or something i think?  ) 5. utlising the past to sell their products. ( i think i saw an ad about the ex-american presidents drinking coke on worlds greatest commericals or something ) 6. and finally, the way they draw kids in at an early age with ronald mcdonald and his lackeys. i think ive whinged enough for now  michael moore is a champ, sfk even reccomend him. but think about it, these two companies are pure evil....its almost like some madman trying to complete world domination, except its a company instead. |
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Post by luceluna on Feb 23, 2002 20:19:04 GMT 10
so a company advertising is evil? do you have a problem with advertising or multinationals?
"1. they say that kids will love their parents more if they buy them maccas."
(where?)
"2. eating maccas is 'cool'"
(according to who? when have you ever gotten mocked for not eating maccas and therefore being a loser?)
"3. animals enjoy coke & maccas, which is bullshit. the only good thing coke can be used for is cleaning old coins, which actually works."
(actually, quite a few people must enjoy eating maccas and drinking coke, or they wouldn't be so damn succesful. companies like those don't make profits by selling stuff people hate.)
"4. utlising their products into aussie culture ( im refering to the aussie ad a few years back with the canefields burning in the outback and that song....umm 'out on the patio we sit, and the humidity we breath' - i know what its called, just forgot for now. the band is crackerjack or something i think? )"
(it's advertising! look on the TV! do you have a problem with every "dinkum aussie" ad you see? what are maccas allowed to put in there ads then, if children, animals, history and australia are off the list?!)
"5. utlising the past to sell their products. ( i think i saw an ad about the ex-american presidents drinking coke on worlds greatest commericals or something )"
(shame on them! lol. see above)
"6. and finally, the way they draw kids in at an early age with ronald mcdonald and his lackeys."
(the only way kids can be "drawn into" maccas is if their parents tkae them there or allow them to watch hideous amounts of TV. blame the parents.)
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Post by dirtgirl on Feb 23, 2002 22:41:00 GMT 10
I think people here are getting bogged down in details. My beef is with the ubiquitious nature of corporatism and its insideous impact on society (like cosmic radiation mutating your dna, changing you and proceeding generations forever) - and I mean that in the broadest context. Since when do people serve the markets rather then the markets serve the people?
The collective unconsciousness which results from the great mass of western civilisation slavishlessly following the dictates of corporatism (which is neither a democratic system or a humanist one: since when is the dollar more important than the individual?) - has lead to everything from the poverty and unemployment and other such scurges in our own country to war and genocide in others. We need to find the balance between humanist and corporatist forces. Failure to do so will only lead to great harm because all systems will eventually find equilbirium (question is are we prepared for the devastating consequences of this?).
Luceluna: I can only recommend that you read 'unconscious civilisation' and/or 'voltaires bastards' by John Raulston Saul. I'm sure you will have a different view of the universe after you have read these.
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Post by luceluna on Feb 23, 2002 22:51:40 GMT 10
i agree with much of what you say, dirtgirl. the main thrust of what i was trying to say is that, for a society who seem to generally disapprove of multinationalism from a moral standpoint, many seem apathetic to what they're arguing. the semi-urban myth of protestors at S11 drinking from coke cans while protesting illustrates what i'm trying to say here. if you don't like multinationals for whatever reason, don't honour them with your business. at its most basic level, corporatism would not survive if millions (no, BILLIONS) of individuals didn't work for it and finance it through their patronage. i don't think i'm getting bogged down in details at all - you said your life was being sucked dry by multinationals and i merely suggested that it doesn't have to be that way. we DO live in a society where, unlike some other parts of the world, we can choose to completely remove corporatism from our lives. my 'view of the unvierse' is not fickle or inferior because i don't subscribe to either side of this argument 100%. i think one needs to view opinion as a non-linear spectrum to truly appricieate the shades of grey in this discussion. *hands round flowers and hugs people * |
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